Jamesa is a wife, a mom and certified sleep consultant through Center for Pediatric Sleep Management. She provides nationwide virtual sleep support in the following areas: longer stretches of sleep overnight, nap challenges, bedsharing transitions, early morning wakings and sleep regressions. She has a passion for infant and toddler sleep, and decided to get certified to help families who look like hers sleep more soundly. She truly believes that good sleep for one equals good sleep for all.
Intro: Welcome to Becoming a Sleep Consultant! I’m your host Jayne Havens, a certified sleep consultant and founder of both Snooze Fest by Jayne Havens and Center for Pediatric Sleep Management. On this podcast, I’ll be discussing the business side of sleep consulting. You’ll have an insider’s view on launching, growing, and even scaling a sleep consulting business. This is not a podcast about sleep training. This is a podcast about business building and entrepreneurship.
Jayne Havens: Jamesa is a wife, a mom, and a certified sleep consultant through Center for Pediatric Sleep Management. She provides nationwide virtual sleep support in the following areas: longer stretches of sleep overnight, nap challenges, bed-sharing transitions, early morning wakings, and sleep regressions. She has a passion for infant and toddler sleep, and decided to get certified to help families who look like hers sleep more soundly. She truly believes that good sleep for one equals good sleep for all.
For those who have just started tuning into the Becoming a Sleep Consultant Podcast, scroll back to episode three where Jamesa shares her experience launching her business, while also juggling a full-time job. Jamesa, welcome to the show. I’m so excited to chat with you again today.
Jamesa Bailey: Thank you so much for having me back, Jayne.
Jayne Havens: I wanted to bring you back on the podcast so that you could share with our listeners a bit about what year one of your business look like. But before we get into it, if you’re willing, share a little bit about yourself and why you decided to get certified.
Jamesa Bailey: Yeah. Again, my name is Jamesa. I’m a first-time mom to Camden who is 18 months old now. He’s the reason why I got interested in sleep consulting first as a client. When I got into my third trimester, everyone was telling me, “Get sleep now. You won’t sleep when the baby comes.” I just didn’t want to look forward to that. So, I bought all of the baby courses, all of the sleep courses. From day one, we were following wake windows. My family and my in-laws were looking at me like I was crazy.
Then one day, I saw a little tooth sprouting in my three-and-a-half-month-old. Then we also were experiencing four months sleep regression. All of the tools that I had previously had went out of the window. So, we actually solicited the help of Steffi with Jolie Sleep Consulting, who is also a Center for Pediatric Sleep Management graduate. Steffi changed our lives. She changed our lives for the better.
We sleep trained Camden the week that he turned four months. It just was so life-changing that during our successful — Steffi was like, “Hey, Jamesa, I really think you will be really good at this. We need more black women in the field of sleep consulting. Is this something that you would possibly be interested in? If so, I can connect you with Jayne.”
I talked to you and within the first 10 minutes, I was like, “Okay. I think this is what I want to do.” I think it was 15 minutes after we hung up, I just went ahead and paid the money, enrolled in the course. It really, really has been an amazing first year with Suite Sleep Company.
Jayne Havens: Love it. Take us back to your first month in business. I know that you are such a go-getter, and you’ve always struck me as being a very competent person. I’m wondering what was going through your mind as you were first getting started. Did you have those worries and fears that come along with starting something new, or were you just jumping right in and enjoying every single second?
Jamesa Bailey: Honestly, I was really nervous. I started off with two pro bono clients. Looking back on it, I always tell myself that I probably should have looked for pro bono clients who could not afford the therapy. I think that if I would have done things differently, I would have. But I was just so eager to get started.
I actually worked with two of my sorority sisters — one who had a six-month-old, and one had a three-and-a-half-year-old. So, one was an infant, and a toddler. It went well. It really went well. So, I think starting off with the two pro bono clients — one infant, one toddler — really gave me the confidence to be able to go out and actually solicit services for folks to pay me.
My first month went really well. I think I got three or four clients. Again, this is my part-time job. Three or four clients in my first month was great.
My first ever client, I will never forget. Mom was just so anti-cry. It was just ridiculous. I’ve never heard of anybody make this anti-cry. But her husband was like, “We have to get him out of our bed. He’s falling out of the bed a couple of times. It’s just not safe.” I remember he slept through the night, like night two or three. Mom was like, “Okay. This isn’t that bad.” I was like, okay, if I can make a believer out of this mom who is so crying and bursts, that I know that I could do this — I really do think that she gave me the confidence to be able to keep going. Because my first client was wow. He’s still sleeping very well. They’re actually pregnant with baby number two. Because they have the skills and the sleep plan from their previous child, I have no doubt that they will be able to do the same with their second child, if that’s what they do.
Jayne Havens: I love that. I love that you’re still in touch with them. That’s so fabulous. I’m also in touch with a lot of my former clients. So, I love that you’re doing the same and maintaining these relationships long term.
What did it look like for you to build a client base? You do this work. You mentioned you do it part time. I think everybody should know Jamesa has a big job. She has a big nine-to-five job, and then she’s also doing sleep consulting on the side. She’s juggling her family. So, what did it look like for you to find clients in the beginning and ramp up your business? How did you juggle it all? Where did you actually find these clients?
Jamesa Bailey: I know that some folks decide to turn in their Facebook page and their Instagram from their personal to business. I actually wanted to start fresh. And so, I created an Instagram. I was really, really vocal on my personal Facebook and Instagram about what I was doing.
For me, the first couple months was just really education. Not a lot of people have heard about sleep consulting, especially in black community. Everyone was like, “I just thought we didn’t sleep because we had kids.” So, those first couple months, for me, really, really were trying to do some brand awareness. Also, just like some, “Hey, no sleep doesn’t have to be your life.”
I was really, really, really big in the mom groups. That’s where I found a lot of my early clients. It’s a little more difficult now because so many Facebook mom groups have the no soliciting rule. But in the beginning, I guess I came in at the right time because I was flying under the radar. But when they were asking sleep questions, instead of marketing myself, I would just answer some questions every now and then. Then I started getting messages from people, “Hey, I always see you answering questions. Can you answer this for me? Or can I talk with you?” So, it was great.
The other thing that I really did early on was reach out to mom influencers on Instagram. If I saw that they had little ones, or infants, or toddlers, or even if they were pregnant, I will just slate in their DM like, “Hey, my name is Jamesa. I’m a pediatric sleep consultant. If you ever need sleep support for your little one, I’m here.” A lot of them responded.
I’ll never forget my biggest client. She had about 300,000 or 400,000 followers. I’ll just randomly slate to her DM. She messaged me back and was like, “Oh my god, did God send you?” She was like, “I’m really struggling with sleep with my little boy.”
I feel like when she hired me, I saw a huge uptick in my business. She actually wrote a post about me. She never even told me that she was doing it. She tagged me in a post. Till this day, she tagged me in a lot of verified accounts. I’ve gotten a lot of client referrals from her. For me, the mom groups and also the mom influencers really, really helped me early on.
Jayne Havens: I think just to illustrate why that’s so important. Because someone who’s listening to this might not understand the value of an amplified voice. I think I’m always talking about the way that I market my business. It’s just to make sure that as many people as possible know about what I do, and can talk about what I do. Whether that’s an Instagram influencer or a therapist that supports moms that are struggling with perinatal mood and anxiety disorders, it doesn’t matter.
You just need to have people out there that are willing to share your name with their circle of friends or their larger community on a social media platform. Because you’re only one person, and you can only talk to so many people during the day. But if you have people out there that are talking to others on your behalf, that’s like the spiderweb growing out.
Jamesa Bailey: Absolutely. Yeah, it’s like a street team. That’s what I like to call it, the sleep suite coach street team.
Jayne Havens: I love that.
Jamesa Bailey: Those folks who are out here. You know what’s so funny? Most of my street team actually consists of grandparents, who were so during the consultation call and who were not on board with their child, soliciting the help of a sleep consultant. Then they really turned into some of my biggest supporters. They are the captain and co-captain of my street team.
Jayne Havens: I’m literally grinning ear to ear listening to you explain this. I love it. I love it. That’s so special. I can think about — grandparents love to think that they know best, they know how it’s done. I didn’t need a sleep consultant. My kid doesn’t need a sleep consultant. Then for you to transform their mindset around how to best set yourself up as a parent that’s thriving, to me, that’s gold. That’s amazing.
Jamesa Bailey: Oh, yeah. I like to think of myself as the grandparent whisperer. My grandparents raised me, and so I feel like I have a special insight to grandparents. But I always, always, always ask my clients if all caregivers are on board during the process. If I sense some hesitation, I actually invite grandparents to the consultation call. I invite them to be a part of our group chat. Just this last week, I talked to both sets of grandparents — grandmas who were a little concerned about the process. But that’s something that doesn’t feel like a heavy lift to me.
At the end of the day, if we want the sleep training to be successful, we have to have all caregivers on board. So, if I have to offer them to come to the consultation, or me to speak to them if they have concerns, I don’t mind doing that. Especially, I guess I just have extra love for grandparents.
Jayne Havens: I love that. That’s so special. I want to go back to something that I read in your bio. You also mentioned so far in this interview about how you felt that your community — black parents — didn’t have this type of support. I’m so glad you brought it up, because I wasn’t planning to talk about it today. But I think it’s really important.
One of my goals as the founder of CPSM is to increase access to this type of support. That means that people that look like all different types of people need to recognize their coaches as somebody that they can connect with and identify with.
I love that you’re out there doing that for your community. It’s something that I — I just think it’s so important. I actually think that CPSM is actually a pretty diverse group of women, which really makes me super proud. But we still have more work to do.
Are you seeing that now that you’ve been in this work for a year, are you seeing your community open their eyes to the possibility that they don’t need to be sleepless for three to five years, or whatever it is? Are you seeing your community is becoming educated, and is becoming wise to getting the support that they need to thrive just like every single parent deserves?
Jamesa Bailey: Yeah, I think so. I remember when I first talked to Steffi, she was just saying that if you search the black sleep consulting on Instagram, her name or her profile would probably be one of the only ones that popped up.
I can say with confidence, within CPSM, as well as outside, I have seen a big uptick in the amount of black sleep consultants. I actually befriended a black sleep consultant in Canada. So, we are not just US-based now. We are in other countries. That makes me feel really, really great.
I actually just met a local black sleep consultant who lives not far from me. For me, I never looked at it as a competition. That’s very easy to do. Everybody wants a sleep consultant. It’s an extra bonus if it’s someone whose family looks like yours. But, for me, I’m just so excited about the reach that we have.
The fact that we are debunking myths about sleep training, the fact that we are providing another way out other than just sleepless nights, that’s what gets me really excited. But now that I think about it, I think I have a network of maybe 10 to 15 black sleep consultants. In the beginning, it was just Steffi that I knew. So, I’m so, so excited. I can’t wait to see how it’s going to continue to grow in the next year.
You are right. CPSM is definitely racially diversified, the sleep consultants. And it’s always, always, always such a joy to see when other black women come into the Facebook group, in the community. It just really warms my heart to see that we are growing in numbers.
Jayne Havens: Yeah, and it’s not just diversity with regard to race. We have women in our community that are grandparents. When you’re talking about that you are supporting grandparents, we actually have a solid handful of grandmas within the community.
Actually, I know some of them actively support other grandparents who are either a significant person in the parenting journey for that family. They’re either raising the kids or have a very, very hands-on approach to being a part of that family unit.
I really do think that it’s just so important for everybody, regardless of what they look like, how they identify. They see somebody that looks like them, and that would support them and make them feel comfortable through something that’s stressful. I think we all feel more comfortable when we’re being coached by somebody that we can relate to and identify with.
Jamesa Bailey: Absolutely. The thing is, the need for sleep is not based on demographic. It’s not based on age, ethnicity, race. It is a human need that all of us have. I think that it’s just a bonus, like you said, whenever you do find someone who shares similar identities as me that really does take it to the next level.
You mentioned it before about how I still keep in contact with some of my family. I really do see them as extended family. The two weeks, it goes by very quickly. But some of my clients, I’m talking to them most of the day, every day, for those two weeks.
Even with Steffi, if I had not gotten certified, I’m pretty sure that Steffi and I would have still remained in touch because she just added so much value to our family in such a small period of time. When you do that, you can’t help but become family or extended family with your clients.
Jayne Havens: When I’m listening to you speak, you just speak with such confidence and joy and love for what you’re doing. At what point in your career — I mean, you’ve been in business for a year now, so it’s a short period of time.
At what point do you really feel like you started to get your stride and feel like, “Okay. I can do this?” Just because I have a difficult case, it’s not going to throw me for a loop. It’s not going to throw me off the edge. I’m going to be okay. I know how to talk to families. I know how to support them at the highest level.” When did you really feel like you had a handle on just your own confidence around all of this?
Jamesa Bailey: I will honestly say maybe six months in. I felt pretty confident in the beginning. But I really felt like I knew what I was doing maybe six months in. At that point, I feel like I started to get a healthy flow of clients. I was getting more referrals.
Social media is something that — I am not the average millennial, so I really struggle with social media. I’m trying to get better. But I felt like I had finally found my rhythm on social media. I felt very comfortable with my elevator pitch when I was talking to folks. So, I would say probably about six months in. I have had some pretty difficult cases on the first year.
Jayne Havens: I was going to ask you about that. Do you have one that comes to mind that totally threw you for a loop?
Jamesa Bailey: Yeah, it actually was on the quest to 50. I won’t say what number it was. He was one. Mom just kept talking about how he just seemed different. He wasn’t happy anymore because of sleep training. He was doing great. They just never really gave him the opportunity to get himself to sleep. That one was really difficult for me. Because for me, sleep consultant is an investment. It is a luxury, right? Everybody cannot afford a sleep consultant. And so, I really want my clients to get the most bang for their buck, which includes nights and overnight sleep.
This particular family, they didn’t want to do independent sleep for naps. They wanted to continue to walk their child to sleep for naps and continue to put him down independently for overnight sleep. That really hurt me in the beginning. It really did. Initially, I was like “Oh no, I don’t feel like they’re getting the most bang for their buck.”
But I actually had a conversation with Steffi. She was like, “Jamesa, at the end of the day, everybody’s goals are different, right? It’s your job to create the full picture and give them the full plan, but it’s their job to implement it.” Everything looks different in someone’s house. If they are happy with walking him to sleep for naps, then having him sleep in the Pack ‘N Play overnight without their assistance, then that’s a win.
So, I think that that client and that framing really, really helped me. Because it is difficult to not take things personal sometimes. Especially if you have a client that you’re really invested in, and they’re not following the plan, it’s very difficult to not take things personal. But at the end of the day, we all are trying to survive and thrive. We have to be the support that the family wants and needs. Sometimes that looks different from our wants and needs.
That definitely threw me for a loop. It really did, I think, ignited something in me. It really just reminded me that we can’t save everybody. Guess what? My definition of saving someone is different from theirs. They’re totally happy with walking him to asleep, and him going down at night. And so, at the end of the day, it’s a win. They got their money’s worth.
Jayne Havens: I think that’s a really important reminder that everybody’s goals are different. I think one of the questions that I get asked all the time from prospective students, people who are interested in getting trained with CPSM will say to me, “What if I can’t help somebody? What if I can’t fix what they’re up against?”
I always remind people that progress is really important — progress over perfection. We’re not necessarily promising that every situation is going to be an A plus, slam dunk. We’re going to meet families where they are, and we’re going to help them make progress on a timeline that feels comfortable for them. If they’re moving slow and steady, then at the end of our time together, they’re going to make less progress than if they were taking a more speedy approach. But that’s really okay for a lot of families.
I’m actually working with one right now — a little nine-month-old who’s nursing to sleep at bed time and waking up 8 to 10 times in the middle of the night, nursing back to sleep. Now we’re just using a pacifier instead of nursing back to sleep.
In my head, I’m like, “Ugh, I’m never going to have to get off the pacifier.” It’s one more thing. But in mom’s mind, she is blown away by the progress that we’ve seen in just a night or two. She is over the moon ecstatic, excited about what’s going on in her home.
So, I have to check myself and be like, “You know what? We’re two nights in. We went from eight wake ups to two. We’re using a pacifier instead of nursing.” That feels like a huge win for this mom. I know the little nine-month-old can fall asleep without the pacifier, but we’re not there yet. So, I needed to check myself and remind myself that as long as my client is happy, then I’m doing my job.
Somebody else’s definition of success looks really different from my own. I still have 11 or 12 more days, so we’re going to get it done.
Jamesa Bailey: Absolutely.
Jayne Havens: But I would just be handling it. If it were my home, I might be handling it differently. But that’s okay. Working with our clients in a way that works for them is, ultimately, I think, what leads to happy and successful clients.
Jamesa Bailey: Yeah, a lot of my discovery calls prospective clients say — they ask me, “What is your success rate?” Because I have had clients who may not have necessarily done it the way that I have done it, but they did it in a way that works best for them, now I say all of my clients have achieved their individual goals.
Because if I were to look back and say, well, how many of my clients — have all of them learned how to fall asleep independently for naps and overnight sleep? I think they can do it, but their parents didn’t want that. And so, every single one of my clients within this first year have achieved their goals. That’s what’s most important for me — that everybody’s house looks differently, and that’s okay.
Jayne Havens: I love that. I want to talk about what your life looks like. I want to paint a picture for everybody. So, I know you just put your little precious and adorable son, Camden, in daycare for the first time, which I know was an adjustment for you and for him.
Jamesa Bailey: Absolutely.
Jayne Havens: What was your childcare situation prior to Camden starting daycare? Were you juggling your day job, and your sleep consulting business, and taking care of your son all at the same time?
Jamesa Bailey: I was. I really was. It’s so funny because I like to remind people. When they asked me was I at home with Camden this whole time, yes. Camden started walking at nine months. And so, not only have I been at home working full time and having a part-time job with an 18-month-old, I have been working at home full-time and a part-time job with an 18-month-old who has been walking for nine months. So, any parents who are listening know that the mobile children add a totally different dynamic. So, this is week two of daycare. Really, only day four because he got a little sick last week. Huge difference during the day.
Jayne Havens: How did you do that? I think parents want to know. How are you supposed to take care of your kid, and work, and grow a business? Logistically, what does that look like for you?
Jamesa Bailey: Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, my husband is home. He works from home. On Tuesdays and Thursdays, he’s in the office. So, that’s when I will be fellow with Camden. We start our day around seven. I wake up to breakfast and all the things. Well, this is pre-daycare. I’m in a whole new world now.
Jayne Havens: Now I’m talking pre-daycare. What did that look like?
Jamesa Bailey: I did my regular job, my full-time job, and would answer emails and texts from clients. Five o’clock is when I would start doing my discovery calls. So, I would do discovery calls from 5 to 7:30. I take 30 minutes to put Camden down, and then start back up at eight o’clock, and go from 8 to 10 with discovery calls or newborn consults, or consultations, or success calls. Then I usually go to sleep between 10 and 10:30. Then I do it all again the next day.
It may seem like a lot listening. But I think because I’m just so used to it, and Camden is a rockstar sleeper so I know that he is going to take a two-hour nap every day at the same time. I know that he’s going to get in his crib every day at eight o’clock and sleep overnight. So, that helps me. But it is a lot of work.
I think the great thing about being a sleep consultant is, it doesn’t feel like work to me. It really doesn’t. I know I get paid from this, but I’m just so passionate about helping these little people. I’s not even so much the little people for me.
A mom told me one time that I helped save her marriage. I just had a client who said — she didn’t even share it with me. She shared it on social media that she was actually on antidepressants and had gained over 20 pounds and is just feeling so lost and hopeless.
The joy and just peace that she got after working with us, these are all things that I fill my heart with so much joy. It doesn’t feel like work. So, I am willing to put in the extra hour that night or to do the extra things because I really am so passionate about really transforming these families, because that is what’s happening.
Jayne Havens: Yeah, it’s amazing. I feel the same way. I feel like when you’re truly changing people’s lives, you’re right, it doesn’t feel like work. You’re excited each time you get to do it again. Because people generally show up at our doorstep or on our phone pretty much at rock bottom. Not always, but a lot of the time.
A lot of the time, they show up really at their wit’s end. To be able to change their lives, change their family dynamic, help them to enjoy parenting again, help them to not resent their babies or their toddlers, I hear so much of that. I hear women saying to me all the time that they resent their baby because of how tired they are. That, to me, we got to change that.
I know you feel the same way. I want parents to relish in every single moment with their child for these first couple of years, and just to enjoy it and to smile through it. If we can have even a small part in that, then I could do it again and again and again.
Jamesa Bailey: Yeah. Honestly, I hear a lot about the resentment to the spouses, too. For me, obviously, goal number one is always to get the little baby sleeping. But for me, goal number two is always to instill some type of me-time for the parent. That doesn’t include showering. That doesn’t include sleep.
So many of my clients are like, “I’m just able to sit down with my partner and watch a movie,” or, “I’m able to pack my work bag the night before, eat a meal in peace.” That’s like me time. Also, that even distribution of rest in the house that happens after your child is sleep trained really is transformational.
Jayne Havens: What would you say is your biggest learning lesson from the first year in business? What have you taken away from all of this, that you’re going to then hopefully use in year two?
Jamesa Bailey: I think I have two biggest lessons. The first is, imposter syndrome robs you of joy and all the things. You can do this. I had to really battle with myself. Even in the beginning when I started this, oh my gosh, yes, you did it with Camden. But can you do this with other folks? I can do it. I have done it. I am doing it, and I will continue to do it. That, to me, is the biggest lesson, the first lesson.
The second is that this is my business, and I decide how my business goes. I think in my first year, I was just so excited to get clients, that I did not really use a lot of discretion. Some of my clients weren’t good fits for me. Ultimately, we got the goals correctly but it caused me a lot of trauma and stress. It didn’t feel fun for me.
Not to say that every client has to be fine. But I think that year two, I really, really want to be intentional about who I’m bringing one as a client. Because, as you said, I have a lot going on. So, I do want to use a little bit more discretion, and not just focus on the numbers and the money and all of these things, and really be intentional about who I welcome into the Suite Sleep Company brand. That is a benefit of being an entrepreneur, right? You make the rules. So, that is definitely something that I’m going to rely heavily on for year two.
Jayne Havens: For those listening, whether maybe they’re just starting their journey in this field — we have a lot of sleep consultants that listen to this podcast — and then we also have a lot of people that are perhaps exploring the field of sleep consulting, and they listen to this podcast, do you have any words of wisdom to share? What would you say to the newbies that are maybe just getting started, and are maybe exactly one year behind where you are right now?
Jamesa Bailey: Don’t be afraid to put yourself out there. There are so many times I’m on an elevator with someone and I see they have a child, or I’m in Target, I introduce myself or give them my card. Do not be afraid to put yourself out there. For every one yes, there may be 50 nos.
Also, really, really try to combat the imposter syndrome. It really does impact us, especially us women. Then if we have any women of color that are listening, it doubly impacts us. But you can do this. You can do this. One of my mentors at work — this probably isn’t a great advice, but it really helped me. She’s like, “Jamesa, if you don’t know it, just make it up.” I feel like that’s what we’re doing as parents. I feel like that’s what we’re doing as people. As entrepreneurs.
Obviously, we don’t want to tell anyone anything that’s on stay. But if you don’t know it, speak with confidence. Try to figure it out and just keep going. It really, really is worth it. Yeah, that’s what I would say to the newbies. That first year goes so, so quickly. Definitely, buckle up your seat belt because you’re in for a very, very fast, but fun ride.
Jayne Havens: Well, let’s end there because that is just absolutely fabulous. Every single time I speak with you, I’m just so glad that I did. I always felt like I learned from you, and you just put me into a better mood. Before I was getting onto this Zoom with you, I was sitting here in my hoodie. It’s cold in my office. I’m in a grumpy mood.
Jamesa texted me right before this. She was like, “I’m going to be a couple minutes late. I’m getting back from the gym.” I’m like, “Ugh, I didn’t work out. I’m lazy. Jamesa’s not.” That’s where my — then we get on to the Zoom. I just grin from ear to ear for 30 or 40 minutes while we talk, and I just love that. You’re just such a ray of sunshine. You’re an inspiration to others that are coming up in this field.
I’m just so glad that they have you to look up to, that they have you to just see that you’re doing all of this awesome stuff, and you’re taking it at a pace that works for you. It’s just really amazing. So, congrats on your success. Thank you for chatting with me on the podcast the second time. Don’t be mad if I hit you up for a third in a few months.
Jamesa Bailey: No, third time is the charm. Third time’s a charm.
Jayne Havens: Thank you, of course.
Jamesa Bailey: Amazing community that you have created for all of us, the way that you support us, the way that you hold us accountable. I love when someone asks a question in the Facebook group, and you respond with, “Well, what do you think?” I love that.
I love that because 9 times out of 10, we know the answer. We just need the validation from others. So, I love that you hold us accountable and you support us. I’m always so grateful. Anything that you ever need from me, it will always be a yes.
Jayne Havens: You’re the best. Thank you. Before we wrap up, where can everybody find you? Maybe share your Instagram, your website, whatever you want to share?
Jayne Havens: Thanks, Jamesa. Always a pleasure chatting with you.
Jamesa Bailey: Thanks, Jayne.
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