Waiting Doesn’t Make You Feel Ready with Sindy Warren
Waiting Doesn’t Make You Feel Ready
with Sindy Warren
One of the biggest mistakes I see aspiring entrepreneurs make is believing they need to have everything figured out before they begin.
They want certainty before they invest in training.
They want confidence before they put themselves out there.
They want to know they’ll be successful before they’re willing to take the first step.
The problem is…that’s not how confidence works.
Confidence doesn’t come first. It comes after you’ve taken enough imperfect action to realize you’re capable.
Sindy Warren is a life and business coach who helps people navigate career transitions, build businesses, and step into new chapters with intention. In this conversation, we talk about why so many people get stuck waiting for the “right time,” how to quiet the limiting beliefs that tell you you’re not ready, and why following curiosity is often a much better strategy than chasing certainty.
If you’ve been sitting on an idea, questioning whether you’re ready, or waiting until you feel more confident before taking action, I think this conversation will give you the push you need.
Sometimes the only way to find out what’s possible is to take the next step.
Links:
Website: Blue Tree Coaching
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LinkedIn: Sindy Warren
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Transcript:
Intro: Welcome to Becoming a Sleep Consultant! I’m your host Jayne Havens, a certified sleep consultant and founder of both Snooze Fest by Jayne Havens and Center for Pediatric Sleep Management.
On this podcast, I’ll be discussing the business side of sleep consulting. You’ll have an insider’s view on launching, growing, and even scaling a sleep consulting business. This is not a podcast about sleep training. This is a podcast about business building and entrepreneurship.
Jayne Havens: Sindy, welcome back to the Becoming a Sleep Consultant podcast. I’m so glad you’re here today.
Sindy Warren: Thank you, Jayne. It is so good to be with you again.
Jayne Havens: Tell us a little bit about you for those who are listening who don’t know you.
Sindy Warren: Yeah. As you said, I’m Sindy Warren. I am a life and business coach. I’m also a lawyer and an HR consultant, and I am a yoga teacher and yoga philosophy teacher. So I wear a lot of hats.
Jayne Havens: You do wear a lot of hats. And I want to share with everybody listening that I met Sindy, I don’t know, years ago, and we’ve kept in touch. I’ve always resonated with her messaging from a coaching perspective, and I’ve been reading her emails for however many years. And a couple of weeks ago, I got an email. It was one of your Friday Flections, as you call it, and the message just really resonated with me. And so I want to read just a small bit of what you wrote.
You said:
“Many come to coaching thinking they need to figure out their future immediately and with certainty. They want clarity before movement, proof before commitment, a guarantee before a beginning. Of course, they do. The human brain loves certainty. We interpret it as safety. But life rarely unfolds according to our best-laid plans. Direction rarely arrives fully formed.”
I loved that. And I want you, if you’re willing, to just expand upon those thoughts a little bit.
Sindy Warren: Absolutely. The reason I wrote that particular iteration of Friday Flections is because it’s just a theme I’m seeing with a lot of my one-on-one coaching clients. Some of them come to me, as you know and as we’ve talked about before, because they’re building a business. Usually, it’s something on the side.
The coaching client I had in mind when I wrote the email is someone who is a fully-engaged professional and is probably looking at retirement in the next three to four years and had started to plant some seeds for a side gig. His particular side gig is mindfulness-based meditation, and he was struggling with, “Is this really something? How do I know — I’m giving up when I’m ready to retire. How do I know if I’ll like this? How do I know if anyone will want it?” And it just struck me as such a common human phenomenon that we want certainty before we begin. And that is just simply not how life works or, frankly, how business works.
So I thought there were some good lessons in there for us. I think the biggest one—and again I’m thinking of this particular individual, but I think it applies to most of us—is paying attention to subtler forms of engagement, if you will. So not necessarily how many people sign up for whatever it is you’re offering or how much money you make or, the external markers of success most of us are used to measuring ourselves by.
Engagement is quieter. You can’t see it, but you can feel it if you’re paying attention enough.
So what I noticed with this particular client was the numbers he was getting in terms of people who are interested in what it is he wants to offer or sell, if you will, were small. But he felt really enlightened. And that struck me as important and something that he wasn’t seeing right away.
Jayne Havens: I see this a lot with the people who I speak with on a daily basis, people who are interested in becoming sleep consultants, or even if they haven’t really figured out that they want to be a sleep consultant yet, but they want to start a business. They want to support families. They’re passionate about supporting mothers, and they’re wondering, “Is sleep consulting the right fit for me? Is this the field that I should go into?” There’s this strong pull or desire to have everything figured out and road mapped before they even decide that they’re going to try and do the thing.
As somebody that doesn’t operate that way— personally, like I’m the type of person, I’m very impulsive. I just make quick decisions. I don’t really overthink things. I actually don’t plan anything. Like, I’m not scheduling my social media. I’m not rethinking. I don’t even think about in advance what I’m going to send out to my email list. I just have a thought, and I’m like, “Oh, I’m going to run with that,” and I just send it. But I know that most people aren’t like that. They want to have this level of certainty. They want to have this plan before getting started.
I’m going to ask you, the business coach, and I know that you do a lot of mindset work. For somebody who really gets a little bit stuck in wanting to have it all figured out in advance, how do we help that person realize that it’s actually the journey, it’s actually the process that helps you to achieve the certainty that you’re looking for?
Sindy Warren: I think I would first encourage that person—and I can see how much you would see that in your work, Jayne—encourage them to question the assumptions. It just is simply looking at it upside down, I think, to want the guarantee before you get going.
So I think the better course—this is certainly what I teach as a coach, but this is also what yoga philosophy would suggest—is just follow the path. Put one step in front of the other. Follow your sense of aliveness. Follow curiosity and trust that there’s something those feelings are telling you. So if someone is, for example, wanting to support families, support mothers, or maybe they had a great experience with their own sleep consultant, I can see they’re being such a strong pull to go into your field. And it just isn’t going to come with guarantees. So it’s one foot in front of the other.
I also think I would want to remind that person to zoom the camera lens of their life out a little bit and look at where they’ve found most meaning in life. It usually is, I think, just for most humans, in the journey way more so than the destination.
Jayne Havens: Yeah. And that’s the part of it that I think is fun. I think that growing a business is actually really fun. It’s really thrilling. And that doesn’t mean that it’s not hard. It doesn’t mean that it’s not challenging. It doesn’t mean that I’m not frustrated on a regular basis. I am. But I think that, on some level, we get to decide, are we going to choose to enjoy this process, or are we going to dread it and sort of have pushback at every single step? It doesn’t need to be that way, right?
Sindy Warren: Right.
Jayne Havens: If we can all just sort of put a smile on and get to work, we can realize that this is something that we get to do. You don’t have to be an entrepreneur, right?
Sindy Warren: You don’t.
Jayne Havens: Like, nobody has to be an entrepreneur. You can just go get a regular job if you want.
Sindy Warren: Right.
Jayne Havens: That’s what most people do. Just go get a regular job if you want to do that. But if you want a little bit more flexibility, if you want to be able to work on your own schedule, if you want to be able to set your own pricing and figure out how and when you’re going to work and how much money you’re going to make, you get to do that.
Sindy Warren: You used a really important word, which is choice. It is, yeah. Like you said, it’s a choice. So if you’re going to choose it, choose to enjoy it. That’s also a choice instead of dread it.
Jayne Havens: Yeah, I think that sometimes the limiting beliefs get in the way, right? Before you even have started, literally before you’ve done anything, sometimes people’s brains go very quickly to, “What if I can’t find a client?” or “What if I can’t help people?” That’s another thing that I really see people grappling with in their minds.
How are you helping—I’m going to say women, because I think women really, in particular, struggle with this—overcome those limiting beliefs and realize that, like, I don’t know. The way I think about it is, yeah, you can’t help people if you never try. If you literally never—
Sindy Warren: That’s true. That’s true, yeah.
Jayne Havens: If you literally never try, then you’re not helping anybody, right? So at least put yourself out there and try. But I don’t know. For somebody who truly struggles with this stuff in their brain, that’s probably not the answer. What would you say to those people?
Sindy Warren: Well, I’m actually going to bring in my lawyer brain to answer this one. And what I like to say to my clients is, “Okay, if you had to make the case for why you are the right person to go help someone with X, Y, or Z, what would you say? Like, I’m your jury. Convince me.”
I actually literally just did this on a call with a client about fifteen minutes ago. She made the most unbelievable case. And at the end of our call, I said to her, “I’m just going to send you an email back with your reasons why you are ready to go.” And she was like, “Oh, I guess I am.” She gave me, like, ten reasons. So I like to play with that kind of mental game with clients.
Jayne Havens: Yeah, I like that. I like that too. I’m wondering, that client that you’re working with, is that somebody by any chance that’s in sort of like a second act of life, career-wise?
Sindy Warren: Yes, many of my clients are.
Jayne Havens: Yeah, so I guess I’d love to hear a little bit about that, you know, how you’re supporting— I know you support men and women, but I’m mostly interested in what it looks like for women who they’re teachers, they’re nurses, maybe they’re stay-at-home moms, they haven’t worked since before they had children. And I think that shift in your brain that needs to happen to say, “I could do something different. I could start over.”
I’m putting that in air quotes. Because I don’t think it’s really starting over. I think regardless of what we did, the way that you just brought your legal brain into your coaching work, I think people would do that. So we’re never really starting over. But how are you helping people to overcome that feeling of starting over after that second season of working life?
Sindy Warren: I think reinvention—or reimagining might even be a better word—for different stages of life is really important. And if we are lucky enough to get the chance to live that long, be well enough to be able to envision a next act or a second chapter, or whatever we want to call it, I like to help my clients find joy in the process. And like you said—I love the air quotes—I don’t believe anyone’s ever starting over. Because, for example, the client who is a woman imagining the next act of her life, who I just had a call with, we looked to her prior professional background for skills that will translate into the next phase.
That’s also true for someone who’s been a stay-at-home mom for a couple of decades. There are skills in running a household, raising children. And it’s really such a gift to be able to then tap into, “What is it I desire now?” And for a lot of women, I think that word desire can be tricky, especially when we’re used to putting everyone else’s needs before our own for some period of time, if not for our entire lives. I think it’s important to kind of shift the focus inward when you’ve maybe had an external view of your work in the world or success, but to draw it inward and ask, “What do I want and why?”
One of the best ways to answer it is to just get curious about what draws you in, what interests you, what are the things you find yourself talking about again and again or wanting to read about again and again. And those can be really important clues for us.
Jayne Havens: I keep coming back to the idea that it’s so important to lead with excitement. That’s what I’m hearing from you, is to choose to do the thing that you want to be doing. And talking yourself out of it is sort of silly when you think about it that way, right? Like, shouldn’t we be doing the things that we want to be doing, right?
Sindy Warren: Yes.
Jayne Havens: If we can connect the things that bring us joy and make us happy and allow us to feel fulfilled and satisfied, if we can connect those things with earning a living—
Sindy Warren: Oh my gosh, what could be better?
Jayne Havens: What could be better, right? But then people get stuck, right?
Sindy Warren: Yes.
Jayne Havens: Like, how much do I have to think about this? And I do think, on some level, I’m really impulsive. I don’t think about anything. I don’t even think that’s the way to go. There’s probably some middle ground, right? I’m on one end of the spectrum, and then there are people who literally will think about everything forever, right?
Sindy Warren: Yeah.
Jayne Havens: What would you say is, like, the right amount of planning and consideration and research before—? Can you quantify that?
Sindy Warren: I think it very much depends on someone’s personality. Using yourself as an example, it would be a different answer for you than someone who’s like extremely Type A and loves to plan and all the things. So I think we have to take into account our natural tendencies and find a way that works for us. So I think there’s an individuality that has to come into the equation.
And it is very smart to have an idea of where you want to go so that you can kind of reverse engineer it. That doesn’t mean you have all the answers figured out. But it means, “I’m drawn to helping moms with babies with sleep problems. Okay, let me explore that. At least I know that maybe I want to take a course. Maybe I want to get certified. Maybe I want to hang a proverbial shingle.” So I like thinking of it one step at a time with a loose idea of the end in mind.
Some people are more into, for example, “I write my social media posts for the week Sundays from 3:00 to 4:00,” and other people are just going to be struck when the mood hits. Just know who you are, and you can plan your work accordingly, especially if you’re an entrepreneur. You really do have way more leeway to play to your strengths, if you will.
Jayne Havens: I think one of the hardest parts of building a business is that oftentimes results aren’t immediate in the beginning, right? So on some level, it’s pretty easy to feel like you’re failing when, really, that’s not what’s happening.
In the beginning, you’re all excited to start something new, help people, grow a business, earn money, feel really fulfilled. You’re just in that beginning stage where you’re planting the seeds. And a lot might be happening, but you’re not seeing it come out on the other end.
How do we work through that period mentally, emotionally, to continue to carry on, trust that roadmap, whatever we’ve thought out for ourselves, when we’re not seeing the fruits of our labor immediately or as quickly as perhaps we had forecasted?
Sindy Warren: It’s such an important question.
First of all, that’s more typical in business, that early results don’t necessarily indicate a sustainable business.
Oftentimes, businesses that don’t show success right away end up having the staying power.
So one is just understand that the marker you’re looking at is inaccurate, likely. And the other, I think, going back to what I said earlier in our discussion, Jayne, is to just pair your work—meaning the effort you’re putting into your business or your clients or your whatever—the effort you’re putting in, have it really mirror your interest, your engagement, your curiosity, your sense of aliveness. That’s way more an indicator of future success than early dollar amounts are.
Jayne Havens: The story that you shared in the email that I was really resonating with was about, as you said, this guy who was starting this small little side hustle. He wasn’t getting as many people enrolled in his webinar or group coaching program as he would have wanted to. But he really was enjoying the work that he was doing, and he was really feeling fulfilled by these small little bits. Like, he was helping people, and he was connecting with people. It was just maybe on a smaller scale than perhaps he had anticipated.
It reminds me of somebody inside of our CPSM community who shared a similar story about her own business recently, where she actually has gotten to the point now where she’s gained some traction and some momentum. She really has a business that truly she can be very much proud of. But she was sharing a story about how, in the beginning, she would do these Zooms for moms and, like, two moms would show up.
Sindy Warren: Yep.
Jayne Havens: And her husband, you know— she was complaining to her husband that, like, things feel really slow. I’m not getting the clients that I would have thought that I’d be getting by now. And he said to her, he’s like, “Are you enjoying the work? Do you like it?” And she said, “I love it. I love every minute of it. I love the marketing piece. I love the client support. I just really love it. I just want to be doing more of it.” And he’s like, “Then carry on.” I love that her husband said that to her.
Sindy Warren: Me too.
Jayne Havens: What an amazing coach he is, right?
Sindy Warren: Yes, totally.
Jayne Havens: Because she was loving growing her business. It just was small at that point. But she wasn’t a failure. It was just her business was a baby. And now she has some hindsight. She has some perspective, and she can see that that was just a point in her journey.
Even now, her business, we talk about her business as being like a roller coaster, as all of ours are—ups and downs, and busy periods, and slower periods. And she knows, because she has the wisdom and the experience, she knows that even when it’s slow, it’ll pick up again. And also, she just enjoys it. So, like, she’s going to carry on. You know, even when her business is slow, if she’s only supporting two families, she’s really enjoying supporting those two families. That’s really what it’s all about, you know.
Sindy Warren: And for those two families, it’s not a small thing. It’s life-changing.
Jayne Havens: It’s not a small thing. It’s life-changing. Exactly. And I think she knows that now. She knows that her business is so much bigger than whatever her bank account says. She knows that she’s out there changing lives, and she’s really making a difference.
And you’re right. In a month where it’s a little bit slower and she only is supporting two families, she has even more to pour into them. She can give them maybe an even better experience. And she loves the work. And when she said that, it made me so proud of her that she was able to see the big picture and realize that even when it feels like it could be better, like, you have the choice to look at it from a light of, “No, this is actually really great. I’m really enjoying this.”
Sindy Warren: That’s incredible. It’s like abundance thinking.
Jayne Havens: Yeah.
Sindy Warren: And that story you just shared, Jayne, is so common. What I will say is I see that experience with clients a lot. And as you know, for a number of years, I ran a program called Side Gig School, and now I’ve just helped people who are growing businesses in a one-on-one capacity. But that was a very common story among my side giggers. What I saw equally as much, which makes me a little sad, is people give up too quickly. They just decide, “Oh, it’s not working,” and that’s not true. It just hasn’t worked yet. Like I said, the seeds are there. You’re watering them. You just don’t have the garden yet. But keep going. It’s coming.
Jayne Havens: Yeah. I think that for many business owners, there is a tipping point where you go from feeling like you don’t have a business to feeling like you have a business. Until you reach that tipping point, it’s really hard to see that you’re going to get there. But if you don’t quit, you will. It just might take you a little longer than you thought. And I can say that with such confidence because I see so many people give up on their businesses just thinking, like, “This isn’t a thing. Nobody wants this. I can’t do this. I’m not good at this,” whatever they tell themselves.
Sindy Warren: Yes.
Jayne Havens: And then I see the people who stick with it, and they are the success stories. The people who stick with it, they’ll come back and they’ll say, “It took me six months to really figure out what I was doing. It took me however long to land my first client. It took me however long to feel like I really—” You know, it’s different for everybody. But the people who really have success in entrepreneurship are the ones who just don’t give up before that tipping point, before they gain momentum.
Sindy Warren: That’s absolutely true. One more thing I’ll add to that is that not only do the successful people not give up, they have beliefs and thoughts that support their efforts to continue to show up. So they believe in themselves, or they believe in what they’re offering.
My client, for example, even though he was disappointed with the attendance at his workshop, his very first workshop, loves building the curriculum, knows that mindfulness meditation is a powerful modality. That has nothing to do with him. It came before him. It will be here long after he’s gone. And he’s just sort of a conveyor of it to those who are interested. So so much of it is believing in what you’re doing.
Jayne Havens: I think that for many people, they want to have the confidence before they achieve success, right?
Sindy Warren: Yes.
Jayne Havens: But really, if we think about it, I think the confidence often comes from having some level of success. For most.
Sindy Warren: Almost always. That’s how it works. You put one foot in front of the other, and you get things done. You start to see some level of success, and then you feel confident. So it’s a chicken-and-egg thing.
Jayne Havens: So what are you supposed to do before you have confidence? Do you subscribe to the whole fake-it-till-you-make-it mindset?
Sindy Warren: I’m not a fan. I’m not really a fan of fake it till you make it, in so far as that implies false positivity. What I am a fan of, though, is convincing yourself in a way that is believable why you are worthy to be doing the work, to be selling the thing, to be teaching the thing. I don’t think that’s fake it till you make it. I think that’s shoring up a belief system that will carry you through the ebbs and flows of life and business.
Jayne Havens: What about being afraid of making mistakes? I see a lot of people avoid networking, avoid making a social media post. They avoid even talking to moms because they’re afraid they might say the wrong thing. How do we get over that?
Sindy Warren: Mistakes are inevitable. I mean, you cannot learn and grow if you’re not making mistakes.
As Brené Brown talks about, put yourself in the arena. Sometimes it can feel like an arena. You have to fight your limiting beliefs, or you have to fight the fear of failure, or the perfectionist tendencies that, at some point in your life, probably were pretty effective. So I think there’s just no way around making mistakes and feeling occasionally like a failure. That’s just part of the journey of life as a human, as well as an entrepreneur. So I think the more we can level expectations around, “Nothing’s gone wrong here. This is just the way it is,” the better equipped we are to deal with those ebbs and flows as they come up.
Jayne Havens: I feel like I make more mistakes in a day than most people make in a week. Really, I do.
Sindy Warren: I love that.
Jayne Havens: I do. But I think that that’s because I’m trying more things, and I’m putting myself out there more, right?
Sindy Warren: Yeah.
Jayne Havens: And so the more chances you take, the more mistakes you’re going to make. But also, the more success you will have because you’re doing more things, right?
Sindy Warren: No question.
Jayne Havens: And so I’m always encouraging people just to get out there, do the thing.
I think I’ve shared this on the podcast before. But in the past couple of years, I’ve really leaned heavily into supporting families that have older children, like 3-, 4-, 5-year-olds. I’m not working with so many babies these days. And it took me, I think, a year, maybe more, to really get comfortable with the language that I use when speaking to parents about improving sleep with their 3- and 4-year-olds.
Sindy Warren: Wow.
Jayne Havens: I would get on these calls— I have a mentor who’s taught me so much about parent coaching and communication strategies with children, but also communication strategies for me to speak with parents about all of this. She shared so much language with me, so much verbiage that she was like, “Use this. Take my words.”
Her words were not rolling off my tongue in a way that felt good. Like, it sounds great when she said it, but I would say it and I’m like, “This isn’t me. This doesn’t feel right.” I would get on call after call after call and use this sort of, like, one-liners that just were like, “This isn’t me. This doesn’t feel good.” And it took me so long to find my own language and find my own communication style to really feel like I could nail these calls and articulate my value to the families that I was speaking with.
And now, a couple of years later, literally, it rolls off my tongue. My kids could recite to you everything I say on these calls. It’s like, you know, I’ve said these things over and over and over again. And I really, truly believe all of my own words with my own heart, with my own mind. It’s natural, and it’s me. But it took me probably a year to figure out how to do that.
Also, keep in mind, I already had a successful business when I was doing this, so I had a lot of opportunities to practice. Because I had a lot of people reaching out to me because they got my name from a friend, or they heard about me through their occupational therapist or their whatever, their preschool teacher. I had referrals coming in, so I had a lot of opportunities to practice.
Sometimes, for brand-new sleep consultants, they don’t have as many opportunities to practice because they’re just getting their name out there. And so they have to figure out, “Am I going to be brave enough to get on Instagram and talk about this online?” Or, “Am I going to be thoughtful enough to take the time and ask a friend, like call an old college roommate and say, ‘Hey, can I practice this with you?'” Because if you’re only practicing it once every couple of weeks, then it’s going to take you even longer.
Sindy Warren: Absolutely. I think that does require courage. It also requires commitment. And the story you shared about just your increasing facility to work with older kids, you shared something really important, which is having a mentor. Even though the mentor’s words weren’t your words, ultimately, I assume that experience helped shape your own journey. So I think that’s something— there’s so much support now for baby entrepreneurs, if you will. Seek a mentor.
Jayne Havens: And you know, about my mentor, I talk to her every day. She’s my business bestie. We chat through cases. We knock ideas back and forth. We pick apart sticky situations. And it’s not that her verbiage wasn’t— her verbiage is amazing verbiage. It just wasn’t rolling off my tongue.
Sindy Warren: Right. Exactly. Yeah.
Jayne Havens: And I think that, as somebody who teaches people to be sleep consultants and I give them all of my verbiage, they have access to my sample sleep plans and my coaching calls. They get to see the way that I communicate with families. They’re welcome to take all of that language and use it in their business. I don’t gatekeep that. But I really do believe that in order for them to ultimately gain their own confidence and to really step into their own, it has to evolve, you know?
Sindy Warren: Absolutely.
Jayne Havens: If they’re just rattling off my words, it will always be— it won’t be them, you know. And so it takes time. It takes effort. It takes repetition and the willingness to keep at it and not give up.
Sindy Warren: Yeah, absolutely. You can take all the certifications and courses there are out there, have all the scripts, and you have to find your own way. There’s something so beautiful about that because you make it your own. It becomes part of who you are as a service provider.
Jayne Havens: Is there one small action step that you could share with my listeners? If they feel really inspired by this conversation, if they’re thinking, “Okay, I hear you. I’m listening,” what can they do today to move the needle? I’m not talking about moving the needle in their business. I’m talking about moving the needle in their brain. What can they do today to really take action in a way that will shift their mindset around doing the hard thing?
Sindy Warren: Absolutely. Come up with a list of 5 to 10 ideas of something you could do today. That might even be just ordering a book on Amazon or going to your local bookstore. Support local when you can.
Jayne Havens: Totally.
Sindy Warren: Something like that. Make a list and just pick one thing. It might not be the right thing. It might not be the most optimized thing. But action breeds more of the same. So make a list, pick your top choice, and go do something.
Jayne Havens: I love that you said to make a list of five things, and then you said we only had to do one of them.
Sindy Warren: Yeah.
Jayne Havens: I think that that’s great because I think making a list of five things can then feel like, “Oh my gosh. I got to do all these things,” or, “Which one do I do first?” or whatever. But just, like, making a list and then just do one thing, you know? I think that that’s such great advice because so many people are so paralyzed to take even that first step.
Once you take the first step, then you’re like, “Oh, I got to do another. I got to do another. I got to do another.” Then you really build momentum, and you realize, “Oh, this isn’t so scary. This is actually really fun. I’m enjoying this.” But it’s that first step that is really hard for people.
Sindy Warren: The first step doesn’t have to be perfect. It doesn’t even have to be the right step. But it’s got to be a step.
Jayne Havens: Where can people learn more about your services, your coaching? Fill us in on how people can connect further with you.
Sindy Warren: The best place to find me is on my website, which is bluetreecoaching.net. I’m also on Instagram, @bluetreecoaching, and on LinkedIn, Sindy Warren.
Jayne Havens: Sindy, thank you so much for coming back on the podcast. It’s been a while, and I’m so glad that we had this opportunity to reconnect today and that you could share all of your knowledge and wisdom with our community. Thanks again.
Sindy Warren: It’s always a pleasure.
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